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Shoot out at The Elite Center
Posted: Sun May 20, 2018 10:35 pm
by Maroon2018
Shoot out
Re: Shoot out at The Elite Center
Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 10:49 am
by eagle_84
If this is Federal Hocking varsity...how are they playing varsity games together prior to the contact period?
Re: Shoot out at The Elite Center
Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 7:53 pm
by Maroon2018
eagle_84 wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 10:49 am
If this is Federal Hocking varsity...how are they playing varsity games together prior to the contact period?
It consisted of freshmen and sophmores. Coach wasn't coaching. It was a shoot out. They are participating in summer events, just as every other team is.
Re: Shoot out at The Elite Center
Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 8:52 pm
by mondayamqb
cannot have more than 2 players from your team playing together at this time. If this post is true, they broke the rules. Doesnt matter who is coaching. West Virginia does not have the same rules.
I trust that your school will self-report this violation to the OHSAA to keep penalties to a minimum - likely a reduction in summer contact days. June 1 to July 31 is when more than 2 players from the same team can play together.
Re: Shoot out at The Elite Center
Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 9:08 pm
by Maroon2018
mondayamqb wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 8:52 pm
cannot have more than 2 players from your team playing together at this time. If this post is true, they broke the rules. Doesnt matter who is coaching. West Virginia does not have the same rules.
I trust that your school will self-report this violation to the OHSAA to keep penalties to a minimum - likely a reduction in summer contact days. June 1 to July 31 is when more than 2 players from the same team can play together.
Wasn't more than 2 from each team. Had eight grade and up.
Re: Shoot out at The Elite Center
Posted: Mon May 21, 2018 9:18 pm
by mondayamqb
It is 2 from same school roster from last year 8th grade does not count (you can have 2 from their roster) in addition to 2 from freshman/jv/varsity rosters combined - that would be total of 4 players. Seeing as you need to play, you broke the 50% rule. This has been a rule for quite some time. You can report now or run the risk of reported later at which time you will be using ineligible players.
If this were legal, you would see other Ohio school teams playing in "shootouts" or other aau tournaments at this time. You don't because it is a rule violation.
5.3) A member of an interscholastic basketball squad (any student who has played in a
scrimmage, preview or regular season/tournament game as a substitute or starter)
sponsored by the Board of Education may participate in non-interscholastic basketball
prior to and after the school season under the conditions of General Sports Regulation
7.3 and 7.5 and are detailed as follows:
5.31) The number of interscholastic basketball players from the same school on
the non-interscholastic squad is limited to two on the roster of that noninterscholastic
squad. A roster is defined as all the members of the entire
squad on that non-interscholastic squad that would practice together or
participate together in any non-interscholastic event. “Rotating players” that
would exceed this number (2) is not permitted and use of any “substitute
players” on a non-interscholastic roster would be counted as one of the 2
players permitted on the non-interscholastic roster.
Note: Graduating seniors who are participating on a non-interscholastic
basketball squad after their final interscholastic contest of the season in the
sport of basketball are exempt from this limitation.
5.32) There is no limit on the number of basketball squad members from the same
school participating on the same team during the period June 1-July 31 in
accordance with General Sports Regulation 7.3.
5.33) A player may continue to play with a non-interscholastic squad in a national
qualifying tournament in excess of the two player limitation after July 31
until the squad is eliminated but no later than Labor Day.
5.34) Non-interscholastic participation includes tryouts, training, practice and
competition.
http://ohsaa.org/Portals/0/CoachersCorn ... nQAndA.pdf
Please note that spring and summer teams are considered "non-interscholastic teams"
Re: Shoot out at The Elite Center
Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 7:33 am
by eagle_84
elite should know this rule why they allowed you to play is a surprise. you all broke the rules
Re: Shoot out at The Elite Center
Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 1:17 pm
by mondayamqb
Elite Center is in West Virginia - they do not have these rules. If you go to their website, it appears that Federal Hocking was the only Ohio team. It is up to Ohio schools to know Ohio rules....bottom line
Re: Shoot out at The Elite Center
Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 2:00 pm
by Snowman
Yikes. That's one of the most basic rules that every coach should know. Or maybe they were trying to be sneaky about it and classify it as an open gym because their coach "wasn't coaching." Like mondayamqb said, this needs to be self-reported immediately to minimize the punishment.
Follow-up to that is were they practicing prior to the shootout? If they looked good, that has to be a possibility.
Re: Shoot out at The Elite Center
Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 8:40 pm
by Maroon2018
Snowman wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 2:00 pm
Yikes. That's one of the most basic rules that every coach should know. Or maybe they were trying to be sneaky about it and classify it as an open gym because their coach "wasn't coaching." Like mondayamqb said, this needs to be self-reported immediately to minimize the punishment.
Follow-up to that is were they practicing prior to the shootout? If they looked good, that has to be a possibility.
No practices. Just 3 open gyms.
Re: Shoot out at The Elite Center
Posted: Tue May 22, 2018 8:43 pm
by Maroon2018
mondayamqb wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 9:18 pm
It is 2 from same school roster from last year 8th grade does not count (you can have 2 from their roster) in addition to 2 from freshman/jv/varsity rosters combined - that would be total of 4 players. Seeing as you need to play, you broke the 50% rule. This has been a rule for quite some time. You can report now or run the risk of reported later at which time you will be using ineligible players.
If this were legal, you would see other Ohio school teams playing in "shootouts" or other aau tournaments at this time. You don't because it is a rule violation.
5.3) A member of an interscholastic basketball squad (any student who has played in a
scrimmage, preview or regular season/tournament game as a substitute or starter)
sponsored by the Board of Education may participate in non-interscholastic basketball
prior to and after the school season under the conditions of General Sports Regulation
7.3 and 7.5 and are detailed as follows:
5.31) The number of interscholastic basketball players from the same school on
the non-interscholastic squad is limited to two on the roster of that noninterscholastic
squad. A roster is defined as all the members of the entire
squad on that non-interscholastic squad that would practice together or
participate together in any non-interscholastic event. “Rotating players” that
would exceed this number (2) is not permitted and use of any “substitute
players” on a non-interscholastic roster would be counted as one of the 2
players permitted on the non-interscholastic roster.
Note: Graduating seniors who are participating on a non-interscholastic
basketball squad after their final interscholastic contest of the season in the
sport of basketball are exempt from this limitation.
5.32) There is no limit on the number of basketball squad members from the same
school participating on the same team during the period June 1-July 31 in
accordance with General Sports Regulation 7.3.
5.33) A player may continue to play with a non-interscholastic squad in a national
qualifying tournament in excess of the two player limitation after July 31
until the squad is eliminated but no later than Labor Day.
5.34) Non-interscholastic participation includes tryouts, training, practice and
competition.
http://ohsaa.org/Portals/0/CoachersCorn ... nQAndA.pdf
Please note that spring and summer teams are considered "non-interscholastic teams"
An AAU team from Ohio was also there. Possibly the rules were looked in to, and none broken. I don't know how it all works. There were several teams there in the shoot out. So I'm not sure what is or what isn't right.
Re: Shoot out at The Elite Center
Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 7:59 am
by Vike73
The bottom line question is were there more than 2 from the same school playing on a team? Very cut and dry.
Re: Shoot out at The Elite Center
Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 10:09 am
by Snowman
Maroon2018 wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 8:40 pm
Snowman wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 2:00 pm
Yikes. That's one of the most basic rules that every coach should know. Or maybe they were trying to be sneaky about it and classify it as an open gym because their coach "wasn't coaching." Like mondayamqb said, this needs to be self-reported immediately to minimize the punishment.
Follow-up to that is were they practicing prior to the shootout? If they looked good, that has to be a possibility.
No practices. Just 3 open gyms.
So are they trying to treat this as an open gym? Maybe it's changed from when I played, but we weren't allowed to use the scoreboard or have a clock or anything, it was just players making their own calls and keeping score. Open gym is "unstructured free play," so if that's what they are going for this seems like this might be crossing the line a bit.
I don't know, maybe things are different from 5 years ago, but when it's being called a shoot out and there is a website that shows the game times, scores, lists it as a tournament for varsity boys, and calls it "May Mayhem" that really seems like it's more than just unstructured free play.
Re: Shoot out at The Elite Center
Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 2:15 pm
by JC2124
A lot of rules experts on here. If you really want to know call the FH high school and ask to speak to Kirby. I’m sure no rule was purposely broken. If that’s the case I’m sure they will self report it. We all know what goes on in June. I’m guessing no one sticks to the 10 days of coaching. If FH is trying to get better who cares! Worry about what your school does and let them do their thing.
Re: Shoot out at The Elite Center
Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 3:16 pm
by mondayamqb
JC,
If schools are a member of the OHSAA, they set the rules and agree to abide by them. The old"everyone else is doing it" excuse doesn't fly. We will be watching the OHSAA board of directors minutes over the next couple months to see if this was reported. If it was not, I'm guessing it will be.
Re: Shoot out at The Elite Center
Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 4:11 pm
by JC2124
I’m not saying I agree with breaking the rules. What I’m saying is people in glass houses shouldn’t cast stones. If any member here feels that strongly about turning it in then they should call the FH athletic director. The onus is on him! A lot on this board like to bash Fed every chance they get. Maroon2018 provides an easy target most days but that poster doesn’t represent the views of FH!
Re: Shoot out at The Elite Center
Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 12:23 pm
by art_vandelay
Wasn't there a softball or girls basketball team in SE Ohio ruled ineligible for post-season a couple of years ago for playing an out-of-state game prior to the season starting? Don't know if this rises to that level in the eyes of OHSAA, but if a violation occurred here (whether intentional or not), it something that Fed Hock should look into self-reporting to OHSAA before someone else does. Best that OHSAA hears it from the school itself as opposed to from a rival school*
Re: Shoot out at The Elite Center
Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 8:40 pm
by Maroon2018
Maroon2018 wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 10:35 pm