Pfloyd's Elite 8 of Southern/SouthEast Ohio - Weeks #1&2

[pfloyd]

My Father started filming Big Red in 1978, and I continue the tradition. While some of the old tapes have some problems, I have been able to digitize all games up to the current season.

There are no transfers, I don't think we are as good as last year, but we will see. I know Marietta is a good team and this game will be a measuring stick. Santino Haney is a fun player to watch. He went from playing QB in the regional final against Bishop Watterson to two weeks removed scoring 19 in the first period in the season opener against East Liverpool. The team plays well together and share the ball. Cole Bowers, the kicker who is going to play for Army, along with Trey Wiggins are returning starters from last year. I count on both to average about 15 points a game. Sophomore Landon Bowers and Jermaine Moore round out the starting lineup.

Good insights. I’ll weigh in on this Steubenville discussion. Big Red is very possibly headed for a state title. Marietta (3-0) hasn’t played as well as they can so far, but even at their best it will be very hard for them to hang with Steubenville Friday night. I expect a 22-0 season (yes, beating West Virginia state champ Wheeling Central Catholic). Maybe I’m over-cooking the Big Red and of course injuries can matter. But I think we’ll know by the end of the month if they are this good.

Last info on Steubenville for now. They have played two relatively weak opponents but the way in which they play (fast, full court defensive pressure, very balanced talent, multiple excellent shooters) is extraordinary. They were up 17-13 in their last game and went on a 36-0 run and won 84-20. Scored 99 in their first win. Maybe it is too early to declare them the D-III state favorites....but.

... the Marietta at Steubenville game should be very interesting as BOTH team seem to want to get out and run LOL ... neither doing the half court thing ... wonder how much defense will be played in this one ... hopefully we can get a video replay of this one ... not sure I'd want to TRY to keep napkin stats on this one LOL - I'd need a spotter ! good luck to both teams tonight !

[SouthEast Hoops Fan]

Good insights. I’ll weigh in on this Steubenville discussion. Big Red is very possibly headed for a state title. Marietta (3-0) hasn’t played as well as they can so far, but even at their best it will be very hard for them to hang with Steubenville Friday night. I expect a 22-0 season (yes, beating West Virginia state champ Wheeling Central Catholic). Maybe I’m over-cooking the Big Red and of course injuries can matter. But I think we’ll know by the end of the month if they are this good.

Last info on Steubenville for now. They have played two relatively weak opponents but the way in which they play (fast, full court defensive pressure, very balanced talent, multiple excellent shooters) is extraordinary. They were up 17-13 in their last game and went on a 36-0 run and won 84-20. Scored 99 in their first win. Maybe it is too early to declare them the D-III state favorites....but.

... the Marietta at Steubenville game should be very interesting as BOTH team seem to want to get out and run LOL ... neither doing the half court thing ... wonder how much defense will be played in this one ... hopefully we can get a video replay of this one ... not sure I'd want to TRY to keep napkin stats on this one LOL - I'd need a spotter ! good luck to both teams tonight !

I've already seen Steubenville twice -- and I don't expect this game to be interesting. I say that even though I still think Marietta is a top 5 team in the Southeast, all divisions, with a coach that develops players as well as anyone. But if someone asked me the over-under on the point spread for this game I'd take the Big Red by 20+.

[Hookshot]

1 quarter: Steubenville 10, Marietta 8.

[Hookshot]

1 quarter: Steubenville 10, Marietta 8.

Halftime: Steubenville 28-18. A little foul trouble and not finishing around the rim impacting Marietta.
— Trey Hawkins is as good as a defensive guard as I’ve seen in a long time. So far holding Steubenville’s Santonio Haney (25.5 ppg) to one free throw in the first half.

[Hookshot]

57-29 Final, Steubenville. Tigers were very good defensively but have some cleaning up to do on offense. Missed 15 shots or so in the lane and around the rim and shot below 50% from the foul line. Big Red is athletic, deep and balanced. I see one game on their schedule where they won’t be a 15-point favorite —that’s it. Barring injury Tigers headed for 16-18 wins.

[SouthEast Hoops Fan]

Watched Warren at Meigs tonight. Reminded me somewhat of the Marietta at Meigs game last year. Warriors outplayed the home team but you often have to be 8 to 10 points better than Meigs to win there, unfortunately. Final was 65-58 Meigs. Warren can be a pretty respectable team by the second half of the season (really they are now).

[Eaglefan25]

Portsmouth West holds off Eastern 71-67 in 2 OT,absolute Physical early season barnburner. Both teams gonna win some games.

[Hoopie74]

Peebles 71- Whiteoak 54 at Whiteoak . Very physical game. Fun game , if you had to go to the bathroom, you missed Alot of action.

[Rich Blackburn]

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Big Red vs Marietta

[SouthEast Hoops Fan]

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Big Red vs Marietta

Thanks for posting. I'm going to try to watch this one closely sometime today. I watched the Meigs-Warren game last night but I'm interested in this one as well. I will watch part of at least 4 or 5 games from Friday night, but this one will be first. Trying to sort out the D-III Southeast teams and I see a lot of parity.

[SouthEast Hoops Fan]

57-29 Final, Steubenville. Tigers were very good defensively but have some cleaning up to do on offense. Missed 15 shots or so in the lane and around the rim and shot below 50% from the foul line. Big Red is athletic, deep and balanced. I see one game on their schedule where they won’t be a 15-point favorite —that’s it. Barring injury Tigers headed for 16-18 wins.

Watched the replay of the game. Hook reported:

-- "Missed 15 shots or so in the lane and around the rim" -- How about 24 missed in the lane.
-- "Shot below 50% from the foul line" -- How about 35% (6 for 17)?

Analysis: Steubenville came into the game averaging 92 ppg with full court pressure and an urge to run offensively. Instead, Marietta set the tone defensively and didn't allow either to occur. However, Tigers were strangely bad finishing near the basket -- and many of their shots were not significantly contested. Make just half of them and it's a ball game. I agree Steubenville is the real deal and should not be challenged much in the regular season (except against the defending West Virginia state champs). State contender? Maybe. As for Marietta? My comment prior to this game was that the Tigers are a top 5 team in the Southeast and that holds, even though some people will question the margin of this game. If the shooting doesn't improve they will still win most of their games by holding opponents under 40, lol.

[ZTPMM88]

Watched Warren at Meigs tonight. Reminded me somewhat of the Marietta at Meigs game last year. Warriors outplayed the home team but you often have to be 8 to 10 points better than Meigs to win there, unfortunately. Final was 65-58 Meigs. Warren can be a pretty respectable team by the second half of the season (really they are now).

I said the EXACT same thing to the two gentlemen next to me that I was chatting with during this game. I said this has the same feel as the ending of the Marietta game from last season. Unlike the Marietta game, this one didn't come down to the final buzzer...or should I say "final whistle". Nevertheless, Warren gave the Meigs boys its best fight and aside from getting down 12-0 at the very beginning, the Warriors and Marauders were within one possession from one another while going back n forth for the majority of the contest. Warren got hit with two technical fouls in the final minute or so (one on a player, other on Coach Maddox) which didn't help their cause. Carson Davis for Meigs however had a MAJOR lapse of judgment in the final 30 seconds by slamming the ball down after a call didn't go his way which resulted in a technical on him along with Coach Ryan Davis (Carson's Dad). Fortunately for Meigs, they were up 9 points at the time so it didn't cost them in the end. I will say it was nothing more than a brain fart from Carson and he didn't say anything disparaging toward any official. He is one of the most respectful players there is. Coach Maddox is doing yet another marvelous coaching job (don't expect anything less from one of the best) early in the season. The Warriors played outstanding defense throughout the game which gave Meigs fits at time and caused a handful of turnovers. Warren is lacking a legitimate "big" to play in the post or else they would he a very formidable team. They still will be eventually the more experienced they become. They essentially play 5 guards and rely on creating turnovers into run-out buckets in transition and shooting on the perimeter. Warren is NOT a team I would be eager to face in the second half of the season and going into the tournament.
The difference in this game was really simple in the end...Meigs has Carson Davis. He is near-impossible to contain for the full 32 minutes. I still don't understand (and frankly never will) why he doesn't take advantage of his major size advantage like he had in this game and hang out in the post more often. With the significant difference in height and pure strength he has compared to the opposition, he could get so many more easy buckets under the rim along with offensive boards/putbacks. Davis and the Meigs coaching staff remain content with him dribbling the ball up the court and popping quick 3s and fade-away jumpers from mid-range. Not taking away anything from him though for he is still an outstanding basketball player and a huge threat from anywhere on the court. When he catches fire, he is a one-man show on the floor as seen in the Wellston game this past Thursday when he recorded his 1000th point of his career...on one of several made 3-pointers that night.
Meigs will almost assuredly (and should) run away with the TVC once again this season which quite frankly isn't saying a ton...no disrespect to any of the other teams in the league. They do have some intriguing non-league games left to play though. Fairfield Union, Gallipolis, Waverly, Marietta, Jackson, and a Padua Franciscan team out of Parma, OH that went 16-6 last reg season & 19-7 overall while already having played Miami Trace who is probably without any question, the best team in the region. It'll be interesting to see how Meigs fares against some better competition in the non-league matchups. I'll definitely be keeping tabs on Warren as well throughout the remainder of this season. Best of luck to both schools the rest of the way!

[Hookshot]

Watched Warren at Meigs tonight. Reminded me somewhat of the Marietta at Meigs game last year. Warriors outplayed the home team but you often have to be 8 to 10 points better than Meigs to win there, unfortunately. Final was 65-58 Meigs. Warren can be a pretty respectable team by the second half of the season (really they are now).

I said the EXACT same thing to the two gentlemen next to me that I was chatting with during this game. I said this has the same feel as the ending of the Marietta game from last season. Unlike the Marietta game, this one didn't come down to the final buzzer...or should I say "final whistle". Nevertheless, Warren gave the Meigs boys its best fight and aside from getting down 12-0 at the very beginning, the Warriors and Marauders were within one possession from one another while going back n forth for the majority of the contest. Warren got hit with two technical fouls in the final minute or so (one on a player, other on Coach Maddox) which didn't help their cause. Carson Davis for Meigs however had a MAJOR lapse of judgment in the final 30 seconds by slamming the ball down after a call didn't go his way which resulted in a technical on him along with Coach Ryan Davis (Carson's Dad). Fortunately for Meigs, they were up 9 points at the time so it didn't cost them in the end. I will say it was nothing more than a brain fart from Carson and he didn't say anything disparaging toward any official. He is one of the most respectful players there is. Coach Maddox is doing yet another marvelous coaching job (don't expect anything less from one of the best) early in the season. The Warriors played outstanding defense throughout the game which gave Meigs fits at time and caused a handful of turnovers. Warren is lacking a legitimate "big" to play in the post or else they would he a very formidable team. They still will be eventually the more experienced they become. They essentially play 5 guards and rely on creating turnovers into run-out buckets in transition and shooting on the perimeter. Warren is NOT a team I would be eager to face in the second half of the season and going into the tournament.
The difference in this game was really simple in the end...Meigs has Carson Davis. He is near-impossible to contain for the full 32 minutes. I still don't understand (and frankly never will) why he doesn't take advantage of his major size advantage like he had in this game and hang out in the post more often. With the significant difference in height and pure strength he has compared to the opposition, he could get so many more easy buckets under the rim along with offensive boards/putbacks. Davis and the Meigs coaching staff remain content with him dribbling the ball up the court and popping quick 3s and fade-away jumpers from mid-range. Not taking away anything from him though for he is still an outstanding basketball player and a huge threat from anywhere on the court. When he catches fire, he is a one-man show on the floor as seen in the Wellston game this past Thursday when he recorded his 1000th point of his career...on one of several made 3-pointers that night.
Meigs will almost assuredly (and should) run away with the TVC once again this season which quite frankly isn't saying a ton...no disrespect to any of the other teams in the league. They do have some intriguing non-league games left to play though. Fairfield Union, Gallipolis, Waverly, Marietta, Jackson, and a Padua Franciscan team out of Parma, OH that went 16-6 last reg season & 19-7 overall while already having played Miami Trace who is probably without any question, the best team in the region. It'll be interesting to see how Meigs fares against some better competition in the non-league matchups. I'll definitely be keeping tabs on Warren as well throughout the remainder of this season. Best of luck to both schools the rest of the way!

Any comment on the officiating? If you’d care not to that’s fine.

[ZTPMM88]

Watched Warren at Meigs tonight. Reminded me somewhat of the Marietta at Meigs game last year. Warriors outplayed the home team but you often have to be 8 to 10 points better than Meigs to win there, unfortunately. Final was 65-58 Meigs. Warren can be a pretty respectable team by the second half of the season (really they are now).

I said the EXACT same thing to the two gentlemen next to me that I was chatting with during this game. I said this has the same feel as the ending of the Marietta game from last season. Unlike the Marietta game, this one didn't come down to the final buzzer...or should I say "final whistle". Nevertheless, Warren gave the Meigs boys its best fight and aside from getting down 12-0 at the very beginning, the Warriors and Marauders were within one possession from one another while going back n forth for the majority of the contest. Warren got hit with two technical fouls in the final minute or so (one on a player, other on Coach Maddox) which didn't help their cause. Carson Davis for Meigs however had a MAJOR lapse of judgment in the final 30 seconds by slamming the ball down after a call didn't go his way which resulted in a technical on him along with Coach Ryan Davis (Carson's Dad). Fortunately for Meigs, they were up 9 points at the time so it didn't cost them in the end. I will say it was nothing more than a brain fart from Carson and he didn't say anything disparaging toward any official. He is one of the most respectful players there is. Coach Maddox is doing yet another marvelous coaching job (don't expect anything less from one of the best) early in the season. The Warriors played outstanding defense throughout the game which gave Meigs fits at time and caused a handful of turnovers. Warren is lacking a legitimate "big" to play in the post or else they would he a very formidable team. They still will be eventually the more experienced they become. They essentially play 5 guards and rely on creating turnovers into run-out buckets in transition and shooting on the perimeter. Warren is NOT a team I would be eager to face in the second half of the season and going into the tournament.
The difference in this game was really simple in the end...Meigs has Carson Davis. He is near-impossible to contain for the full 32 minutes. I still don't understand (and frankly never will) why he doesn't take advantage of his major size advantage like he had in this game and hang out in the post more often. With the significant difference in height and pure strength he has compared to the opposition, he could get so many more easy buckets under the rim along with offensive boards/putbacks. Davis and the Meigs coaching staff remain content with him dribbling the ball up the court and popping quick 3s and fade-away jumpers from mid-range. Not taking away anything from him though for he is still an outstanding basketball player and a huge threat from anywhere on the court. When he catches fire, he is a one-man show on the floor as seen in the Wellston game this past Thursday when he recorded his 1000th point of his career...on one of several made 3-pointers that night.
Meigs will almost assuredly (and should) run away with the TVC once again this season which quite frankly isn't saying a ton...no disrespect to any of the other teams in the league. They do have some intriguing non-league games left to play though. Fairfield Union, Gallipolis, Waverly, Marietta, Jackson, and a Padua Franciscan team out of Parma, OH that went 16-6 last reg season & 19-7 overall while already having played Miami Trace who is probably without any question, the best team in the region. It'll be interesting to see how Meigs fares against some better competition in the non-league matchups. I'll definitely be keeping tabs on Warren as well throughout the remainder of this season. Best of luck to both schools the rest of the way!

Any comment on the officiating? If you’d care not to that’s fine.

I usually try not to bash officials in high school sports because it is such a thankless job that very few are willing (or have the guts) to do themselves. Having said that, if there are some very poor calls made I will point them out, but I am not going to holler and scream at them like some folks like to do. My personal unbiased opinion is they did a pretty good job in this particular game. I thought there was maybe one charge call on Warren in the 2nd half that could have been called a blocking foul on Meigs instead, but it was really close. As for the technical fouls late in the game on both teams, they were probably all warranted. Wasn't sure what Maddox was upset about when the player for Warren got T'd up. Davis for Meigs got one for slamming the ball down which 99 out of 100 times will be called.

[Rich Blackburn]

57-29 Final, Steubenville. Tigers were very good defensively but have some cleaning up to do on offense. Missed 15 shots or so in the lane and around the rim and shot below 50% from the foul line. Big Red is athletic, deep and balanced. I see one game on their schedule where they won’t be a 15-point favorite —that’s it. Barring injury Tigers headed for 16-18 wins.

Watched the replay of the game. Hook reported:

-- "Missed 15 shots or so in the lane and around the rim" -- How about 24 missed in the lane.
-- "Shot below 50% from the foul line" -- How about 35% (6 for 17)?

Analysis: Steubenville came into the game averaging 92 ppg with full court pressure and an urge to run offensively. Instead, Marietta set the tone defensively and didn't allow either to occur. However, Tigers were strangely bad finishing near the basket -- and many of their shots were not significantly contested. Make just half of them and it's a ball game. I agree Steubenville is the real deal and should not be challenged much in the regular season (except against the defending West Virginia state champs). State contender? Maybe. As for Marietta? My comment prior to this game was that the Tigers are a top 5 team in the Southeast and that holds, even though some people will question the margin of this game. If the shooting doesn't improve they will still win most of their games by holding opponents under 40, lol.

A very fair assessment of the game. As a Big Red fan, I was happy with their adjustments when Marietta took away the fast breaks and made it a half court game. Marietta handled the full court pressure and Big Red had to adjust.